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Comparing image patterns in the Dodal and Conver Marseille-style Tarot decks

These images are to accompany a study currently under way on Aeclectic's Marseille Tarot Forum - a discussion in which everyone is encouraged to participate.

 

Queen of Batons • Reine de Baston • Reyne de Baton

The Queen of Batons has a Bacchante youth-like quality about her, dressed as she is with a surcote 'gates-of-hell'.

Dodal: Reine de Baston vs Conver: Reyne de Baston

 
Dodal Marseille Queen of Batons   Conver Marseille Queen of Batons


Jean Dodal Tarot-
Reine de Baston

Approximate date of publication: 1701-1713

Image: Tarot de Marseille - Jean Dodal, by Dusserre


Nicolas Conver Tarot-
Reyne de Baston

Dated 1760

Image: Tarot de Marseille - Nicolas Conver, by Heron

 



Of interest here may be that the Queen, in each instance, and like her masculine counterpart (the King) looks somewhat to the right of the card.

Whereas his Baton is more 'staff'-like, hers is far more mace-like, and has a certain 'bluntness' to it. In each of these two cases (but not universally), the baton is green, and her robe red.

Of keen interest is what (if anything) is on her lap, seemingly held by her hand. On the Dodal, it looks a little like an envelope. On the Conver, it could more easily be a comb.

Interestingly, if we look at another Dodal-type card, the Payen, it could even be a glove she is in the process of putting on her hand. In fact, on the Payen, it looks as though the hand holding the Baton is already gloved, and the other in the process of being so.

I should perhaps here mention that this hand does not appear to be in the least holding anything in, for example, the Noblet. Thereon it simply rests on her lap.
But let us move to other details.

In each case, whereas the King is covered with both floppy-hat and crown, our Queen is here covered with laurel and crown. Of what is she victorious?

Her hair also tends to consistently be long (very) and wavy blonde.

She also appears young, and her upper torso rather flat-breasted.

The high-waisted belt gives the appearance to modern eyes of maternity-wear, yet would suggest that this is more a fashion reflection of earlier times.

A question that arises as one looks carefully at these images is whether she is in fact sitting.


Are there additional details about the Conver or the Dodal worth noting?

To join this discussion, please see the corresponding Aeclectic Tarot Forum thread.

Other related images:


 

About this Marseille decks Tarot Studies: Contrasting the Dodal and Conver

This is an informal study of two of the most influential TdM (Tarot of Marseilles) decks that have come down to us from across the centuries. TdM decks, both early and recent, display a visual connection to these, and by our investigations hope to gain a deeper understanding of the development and influences that have contributed to Tarot as it is today.

Jean Dodal and Nicolas Conver Tarot decks have been chosen because, whilst similar in imagery, they also display two distinct "patterns". A question faced is whether these represent two streams of the Tarot de Marseille.

By comparing and contrasting these decks, a deeper appreciation of the subtleties that characterise the TdM patterns will undoubtedly emerge for each of us.

As we focuss on the actual detailed imagery of the cards, everyone, no matter how experienced in Tarot studies, should be able to partake of and contribute to the exploration.

(The above has been condensed from the introduction to the study, located on Aeclectic's Marseille Tarot forum pages.)

 
 
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